NEW: The Consult Podcast w Profiler Julia Cowley (Part 2)
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In this second part of a conversation with Julia Cowley, retired FBI profiler and host of The Consult podcast, Bill Thomas and Kristen Dilley explore the transition from federal law enforcement to podcasting. Cowley reflects on her 22-year FBI career, the emotional weight of supervising agents, and the profound relief she felt upon retiring in 2021. She recounts how her team at the Behavioral Analysis Unit encouraged her to launch The Consult, a podcast that brings real FBI profiling insights to true crime audiences. The episode dives deep into her work on the Golden State Killer case, where her 45-page behavioral profile was later validated by researcher Kim Rossmo as the most accurate among multiple profiles. Cowley discusses her misjudgment about the offender’s military background and her controversial assertion that the killer had law enforcement training—later confirmed when Joseph D'Angelo was arrested. She emphasizes that profiling is not about solving cases but about providing behavioral insight, and shares the emotional impact of meeting Jane Carson Sandler, a survivor whose life was transformed by Cowley’s work. The conversation also touches on ethical boundaries in podcasting, including avoiding active investigations, conflicts of interest, and respecting families and departments.
Profiling is a powerful tool for insight, not a magic solution for solving crimes.
Retirement from high-stress roles like FBI supervision brings profound emotional relief and personal freedom.
The Golden State Killer profile was remarkably accurate, especially in predicting the offender’s insecurity and lack of control.
Ethical podcasting requires respecting departmental restrictions, avoiding active cases, and managing conflicts of interest.
Meeting survivors like Jane Carson Sandler can be transformative for profilers and validate years of investigative work.
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Introduction and Background: From FBI to Podcasting
Bill Thomas and Kristen Dilley welcome Julia Cowley, retired FBI profiler and host of The Consult podcast, to discuss her transition from 22 years at the FBI to launching a true crime podcast. They explore her decision to retire, the emotional weight of supervision, and how her team encouraged her to start the show.
The Birth of The Consult: From Mugs to Microphones
Cowley recounts how her retirement party mugs, featuring the tagline 'Trust me, I'm an FBI profiler,' became a catalyst for launching The Consult. She describes her early struggles with podcasting equipment, reaching out to former colleagues, and the pivotal first episode on the Golden State Killer case.
Golden State Killer Profile: Accuracy and Insight
“I thought he was too young to have been in the military... I didn't think he had been old enough to have been in the military.”
The Human Impact: Meeting Jane Carson Sandler
“I looked at her and I said, I have goosebumps. And I started to tear up because I obviously, I did. I just didn't even know what to say.”
Ethics, Boundaries, and the Future of The Consult
Cowley discusses the ethical boundaries of The Consult, including avoiding active investigations, respecting departmental restrictions, and managing conflicts of interest—such as her past role in the Karen Reed case. She also shares her excitement about upcoming appearances at CrimeCon and Crime Story in Danvers.
“I looked at her and I said, I have goosebumps. And I started to tear up because I obviously, I did. I just didn't even know what to say.”
“You can be a victim of something horrible, but you don't have to stay a victim forever. You can survive and you can thrive.”
“It's the closest thing to get that you'll get to being in the room with the FBI's BAU.”
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Jane Carson Sandler
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Kristen Dilley
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Bill Thomas
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Robert Drew
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