457. Tiny Experiments with Anne-Laure Le Cunff
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In this episode of Psychologists Off the Clock, host Michael Herold interviews Anne-Laure Le Cunff, neuroscientist and author of 'Tiny Experiments,' about reimagining life through curiosity and experimentation. Le Cunff shares her personal journey from a high-achieving, imposter syndrome-driven career at Google to a transformative health scare that led her to question her linear, goal-obsessed life. She introduces the concept of 'tiny experiments'—small, time-bound tests of behavior or belief that replace rigid goal-setting with a scientific mindset of curiosity and learning. The conversation explores how cognitive scripts like the 'sequel,' 'crowd pleaser,' and 'epic' scripts limit our choices, and how expanding our 'surface area for luck'—by sharing small updates, reaching out, and showing up—increases serendipity. Le Cunff emphasizes the power of generativity over legacy, illustrating how meaningful impact happens in the present through community, connection, and small acts of care. The co-hosts reflect on the balance between long-term planning and flexibility, concluding that the ability to reassess and pivot is a privilege rooted in freedom and self-awareness.
Replace linear goals with 'tiny experiments'—small, time-bound tests of behavior to learn about yourself without fear of failure.
Identify and question your cognitive scripts (sequel, crowd pleaser, epic) that unconsciously shape your life choices.
Expand your 'surface area for luck' by sharing small updates about your life, increasing chances of serendipitous opportunities.
Generativity—contributing to the present world through community and connection—is more meaningful than chasing legacy.
Failure in experiments is not failure; it's data. Success is learning, not outcome.
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The Power of Tiny Experiments
The episode opens with a personal story about period protection and transitions into the core theme: replacing rigid life goals with curiosity-driven experimentation. The host introduces Anne-Laure Le Cunff as a neuroscientist and author of 'Tiny Experiments,' setting the stage for a deep dive into living with uncertainty.
From Imposter Syndrome to a Life of Curiosity
“Instead of saying, yes, let's do it. Let's do the surgery. I said, oh, one second. I need to check my calendar. And this is really when I noticed that my priorities were completely out of whack.”
Cognitive Scripts That Limit Us
“You might discover that some of the scripts you're following actually you're quite happy about. But you might also discover that there are decisions that you've been making on autopilot.”
The Science of Experimentation in Daily Life
“Success is learning something new. Whatever the outcome, if you learn something new from the experience, then that is success.”
Expanding Your Surface Area for Luck
“The more you put yourself out there, the more you expand that surface area of luck and the more likely you are to be in the right place at the right time for something good to happen to you.”
“Instead of saying, yes, let's do it. Let's do the surgery. I said, oh, one second. I need to check my calendar. And this is really when I noticed that my priorities were completely out of whack.”
“You can pay for that with money, but then it's no longer the same because it's not people caring for their community, caring about you.”
“You can pay for that with money, but then it's no longer the same because it's not people caring for their community, caring about you.”
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