464. Dad Brain with Darby Saxbe

Psychologists Off the Clock57mJune 16, 2026
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The idea that fatherhood is a biological and psychological transformation—driven by hormonal shifts, brain changes, and adaptive behaviors—challenges the outdated myth that men are naturally less equipped for caregiving. Dr. Darby Saxbe, a clinical psychologist and researcher at USC, argues in her book *Dad Brain* that men’s brains and bodies are biologically primed for fatherhood, with testosterone naturally dropping before and after birth, mirroring changes in mothers. This 'facultative adaptation' allows men to step in and out of caregiving roles depending on context, making fatherhood flexible and resilient. Saxbe reveals that a father’s presence during labor can reduce birth complications, and that postpartum depression in dads—often masked by irritability or workaholism—is real and underdiagnosed. She also highlights how involved fatherhood benefits children’s development, emotional regulation, and peer competence, while also healing trauma in fathers with difficult pasts. Despite progress, a cultural backlash toward traditional gender roles and corporate retreats from paternity leave threaten this momentum. Saxbe calls for policy changes like Norway’s 'use-it-or-lose-it' paternity leave and greater societal recognition that fatherhood is not a trait but a practice built through experience and support.

Key Takeaways
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Testosterone naturally drops in expectant and new fathers, signaling a shift from mating to nurturing—this is biologically adaptive, not a sign of weakness.

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Dads' postpartum mental health is often overlooked because symptoms like irritability and work avoidance differ from classic depression in moms.

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Couples who fight negatively during pregnancy report more difficult births and higher postpartum depression in dads—relationship quality directly impacts birth outcomes.

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Children with involved fathers show better peer competence, risk tolerance, and educational outcomes—father-child play is uniquely stimulating and developmental.

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Fatherhood can be a healing force for men with trauma or incarceration history, providing purpose and motivation to rebuild their lives.

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The Power of Effortless Health Routines

The episode opens with a sponsor ad for Grooms, a daily gummy supplement that combines greens, vitamins, and prebiotic fiber, marketed as a hassle-free way to maintain health.

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The Biological Reality of Fatherhood

Men do in fact have biology and brain structures that can be primed to adapt to parenthood in ways that look similar to mothers.

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Meet the Hosts of Psychologists Off the Clock

The five co-hosts introduce themselves, sharing their backgrounds in psychology, authorship, and clinical practice, setting the stage for a science-based, relationship-focused discussion.

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Introducing Dr. Darby Saxbe

Dr. Saxbe’s academic credentials, research focus on fatherhood, and personal life are introduced, including her Substack, music, and humorous anecdotes about her life.

High-Impact Quotes
And it was kind of like as he told me, you know, I wouldn't have saved myself but knowing that I had this son. actually was, you know, gave me the push that I needed.
Former Incarcerated Father38:27
We've also found that when men have lower testosterone after the birth of a baby, it's linked with more depression. So what you sort of want is mid -range T that changes flexibly according to situational demands.
Dr. Darby Saxbe33:19
And we found that when couples fought in more negative ways, they subsequently reported more difficult childbirth experiences.
Dr. Darby Saxbe17:54
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Dr. Debbie SorensenDr. Emily EdlinMichael HeroldDr. Yael SchoenbrunnDr. Jill Stoddard

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Dr. Darby Saxbe
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