457 - How to Guard Against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities w/ Dr. Andrew Bauman

Pure Desire Podcast1h 1mApril 7, 2026

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In this powerful episode of the Pure Desire Podcast, host Nick Stumbo and co-host Heather Cole welcome Dr. Andrew Bauman, founder of the Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health and Trauma, to discuss his groundbreaking book *Safe Church: How to Guard Against Sexism and Abuse in Christian Communities*. Drawing from his personal history as the son of a pastor and sex addict, and his 15 years of clinical work, Bauman shares hard-won insights from a landmark study of over 2,800 women in church leadership roles. The conversation reveals how unaddressed male sexual brokenness—particularly porn use and emotional avoidance—fuels systemic misogyny, objectification, and abuse within churches. He exposes how biblical texts like 1 Timothy 2 and the term 'ezer' are often misinterpreted to justify male dominance, when in fact they point to mutual, life-saving partnership. Bauman emphasizes that true healing requires men to do deep emotional and embodied work, face their shadows, and move beyond mere honesty to genuine repentance and repair. He offers practical green flags for safe churches: trauma-informed leadership, diversity in decision-making, open dialogue, and a commitment to research-based resources. The episode ends with a hopeful call to action: men must listen to women, do their own healing, and co-create communities where all can flourish in dignity and safety.

Key Takeaways
1

Unaddressed male sexual brokenness—especially porn use and emotional avoidance—directly fuels sexism and abuse in church communities.

2

The term 'ezer' in Genesis 2:18 means 'savior' or 'rescuer,' not 'helper' in a subordinate sense; it describes a divine, equal partnership.

3

Men in recovery must move beyond honesty to repentance: facing their shadows, embodying change, and repairing harm through vulnerable, eye-to-eye dialogue.

4

Safe churches are trauma-informed, diverse in leadership, and willing to have hard conversations about abuse, modesty, and forgiveness.

5

Women experiencing betrayal trauma should trust their intuition and bodies—God dwells in the body, which is holy, not dangerous.

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Chapters
0:00
5 min

Introducing Dr. Andrew Bauman and the Mission of Safe Church

We're still having to have this conversation, and yet there's hope surrounding the fact that we are having this conversation.

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5:00
10 min

Andrew's Personal Journey: From Abusive Home to Healing Ministry

This stuff nearly killed me. It's life and death for me.

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15:00
15 min

The Data Behind the Pain: 2,800 Women's Stories of Abuse

What do you think Hannah felt towards her own body? What do you think she felt about her own worth?

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30:00
15 min

The Pornographic Style of Relating: How Unhealed Men Harm Women

Bauman explains how unaddressed male sexual shame leads to a 'pornographic style of relating'—objectifying women, overemphasizing modesty, and projecting shame onto women. He argues that men often make women responsible for managing their own sexual triggers instead of doing their own emotional work.

45:00
15 min

Beyond Honesty: The Need for Repentance and Repair

Repentance doesn't mean feel bad about. Repentant means to turn and go in a different direction.

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High-Impact Quotes
It just took the wife being in the room to call it what it is because you have this 40-year-old man in power and this 18-year-old teenager.
Dr. Andrew Bauman53:54
Viral: 95.0
The word ezer is directly followed by kenegdo, which means in front of him or corresponding to him like a mirror image.
Dr. Andrew Bauman45:01
Viral: 92.0
I'd rather right now if you would just go and go to the strip club and just kind of own it and be a full-blown misogynist and just say, I hate women.
Dr. Andrew Bauman37:40
Viral: 91.0
Speakers

Hosts

Nick StumboHeather Cole

Guest

Dr. Andrew Bauman
Topics Discussed
Sexism in Christian Leadership95%Theological Reclamation of 'Ezer'92%Creating Safe Church Communities91%Healing from Betrayal Trauma90%Male Sexual Brokenness and Recovery88%Trauma-Informed Church Practices87%Men's Emotional and Embodied Healing86%Misinterpretation of Biblical Texts85%
People & Brands

Dr. Andrew Bauman

person

120xPositive

Heather Cole

person

45xPositive

Nick Stumbo

person

40xPositive

Safe Church

book

30xPositive

Pure Desire Podcast

media

25xPositive

Christian Counseling Center for Sexual Health and Trauma

organization

15xPositive

Ezer

other

12xPositive

1 Timothy 2

other

8xNeutral

Genesis 2:18

other

6xNeutral

Dr. Christy Bauman

person

4xPositive

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