The Poetry of Zheng Xiaoqiong: A Conversation with Translator Eleanor Goodman
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In this richly layered conversation from the Sinica Podcast, host Kaiser Guo engages translator Eleanor Goodman in a profound exploration of the life and work of Zheng Xiaoqiong, one of China’s most vital contemporary poet-activists. Goodman, who has translated Zheng’s landmark collection *In the Roar of the Machine*, traces their professional bond from a 2013 meeting in Guangdong, emphasizing Zheng’s unique position as both an insider and a literary force. The discussion unpacks Zheng’s journey from rural Sichuan to factory labor in Dongguan, her transformation through injury and writing, and her rise to national and international acclaim. The episode delves into the genre of migrant worker poetry—its conventions, its political weight, and its limitations—while highlighting Zheng’s fierce resistance to being pigeonholed. Goodman reflects on the ethics of translation, especially when rendering the bodily, material, and emotional realities of factory life without direct experience. Through readings of Zheng’s poetry—particularly the haunting “Woman Worker, Youth Pinned to a Station”—the conversation reveals a deeply feminist, unflinching voice that centers the body, time, and labor. The episode also examines Zheng’s evolving literary ambitions, including her classical allusions in the *Rose Courtyard* poems, signaling a break from genre constraints. Finally, the discussion touches on the global resonance of worker poetry, the importance of community among migrant writers, and the quiet but powerful act of censorship when Zheng chooses not to appear live, underscoring the precariousness of artistic freedom in China.
Zheng Xiaoqiong’s work transcends the 'migrant worker poet' label through its emotional depth, literary ambition, and refusal to be confined by genre.
Translation is not just linguistic but ethical—truth to the source’s roughness, rhythm, and lived reality is paramount.
Factory poetry captures not just physical exhaustion but the erosion of identity, time, and innocence, making it profoundly human.
Zheng’s feminism is embodied and practical, centering bodily experiences like menstruation and illness without ideological framing.
The global reach of worker poetry suggests universal themes of labor, dignity, and resistance across cultures and borders.
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Introduction to Zheng Xiaoqiong and the Translation Project
Kaiser Guo introduces the episode, setting the stage for a conversation with translator Eleanor Goodman about Zheng Xiaoqiong, a leading Chinese worker poet. He highlights the collaborative effort between NYRB Poets and Equator Magazine and previews the depth of Zheng’s literary and personal journey.
The Meeting of Minds: How Goodman Discovered Zheng
“I was so impressed with her simultaneous seriousness and her utter lack of pretension. She was incredibly warm and open, and I later discovered that she was a major literary force, even at the tender young age of 33 or 34.”
Zheng’s Journey from Factory to Literary Fame
“She has her roots in that community. These are her friends. These are people she talks to every day. So she, I think, is very conscious of not wanting to lose touch with those people...”
The Genre of Migrant Worker Poetry: Power and Limitations
“Migrant worker poetry, in stark contrast, that's the sociological designation, right? That's a group of people, not a way of writing...”
Translation as Ethical Practice: Rendering the Factory Life
Goodman discusses the challenges of translating Zheng’s work without direct factory experience. She emphasizes reading the poem as a whole, preserving its roughness, rhythm, and emotional truth, and the translator’s responsibility to remain faithful to the source’s voice.
“It's fuzzy. We wouldn't want you to say the wrong thing, but you don't know what the wrong thing is, but we, you know, you shouldn't say it.”
“Look at her pale youth running from an inland village to a factory by the sea all the way to a shelf in America.”
“Talking about missed periods in a poem is frankly revolutionary. People don't do that. You don't do that in China.”
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Zheng Xiaoqiong
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Eleanor Goodman
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Kaiser Guo
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In the Roar of the Machine
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Dongguan
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New York Review of Books
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Guangdong
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Equator Magazine
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Sichuan
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Iron Moon
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