INTERVIEW: Nick Grant Talks 'Smile,' Bars & Books,' J.I.D,. TDE. Interest In Screenwriting + More

The Breakfast Club34mJune 10, 2026
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Nick Grant, the lyricist behind the new album 'Smile,' reveals a raw, emotionally charged journey through grief, artistic integrity, and the contradictions of fame. After losing three loved ones in a single year—including a cousin and his sister, who became his mother figure—he confronts the myth that success brings fulfillment, arguing instead that it often exposes the worst in people. His album, a 'spiritual listening experience' held at the Brooklyn Public Library, is designed to be a communal, cathartic space where vulnerability isn’t just allowed but essential. Despite being overlooked by the mainstream, Grant refuses to let disappointment turn to bitterness, crediting therapy, family, and a deep commitment to his craft. He shares a powerful vision for the future: transitioning into screenwriting, inspired by Punch’s encouragement, with a story rooted in his father’s legacy at Freaknik. His candid reflections on the music business—its selfishness, the need for 'cosigns' to break through, and the emotional toll of being a 'sensitive gangster'—paint a portrait of an artist who values authenticity over acclaim. When challenged on his claim that he raps better than JID, he doubles down not out of arrogance, but as a necessary act of self-belief in a system that undervalues lyricism. The episode culminates in a defiant yet tender message: you don’t need the world’s approval to be great—just the courage to keep creating. Grant’s story is a masterclass in resilience.

Key Takeaways
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Grief is not a barrier to creativity—Nick Grant created his entire album 'Smile' while processing the loss of three loved ones, including his sister who raised him.

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The music business rewards selfishness, not talent—Grant identifies the industry’s core flaw: people fight for attention, not for art, and he’s cut ties with those who changed after his success.

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You don’t need a celebrity cosign to be great—Grant believes the real barrier isn’t talent, but the lack of powerful allies who can usher new lyricists into the spotlight.

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Therapy isn’t a luxury—it’s a necessity for healing and parenting—Grant credits therapy with helping him avoid projecting his past trauma onto his child.

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A library is the perfect place for a music listening experience—Grant chose the Brooklyn Public Library for its quiet, studious energy, inspired by Jay-Z’s own event there.

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Chapters
2:34
1 min

The Weight of Loss and the Birth of 'Smile'

I lost three people last year. My cousin Young's schooled out on a... People know me on Scooter. Oh, wow. Yeah. Scooter and I lost a childhood friend, so it was like me going through that and still having to navigate the business.

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3:45
2 min

The Power of Vulnerability and Therapy

No, I couldn't. That came with time. That came with time and just experiences that, you know, even if I went through the same shit, I just wouldn't process it the same way.

5:47
2 min

The Business vs. The Art: A Tug of War

People are selfish. Everybody just, they feel like it's not enough room for everybody. I just think people are very selfish.

7:59
2 min

The Myth of the 'Lyricist' Label

It's like... People don't want to think. So that comes with it too so yeah I just think it's not the cool thing to do today be a lyricist.

10:11
3 min

The Need for a 'Cosign' in a Boys Club

If you have a certain level of talent, you have to be ushered in by people that we already love and respect. That kind of makes it easier to, you know, make your music more palatable.

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High-Impact Quotes
I don't think that's far -fetched, though. And I like Jid. I think Jid is super dope, but that ain't a reach to say Nick Grant can rap better than Jid.
Nick Grant35:17
So my dad, I don't know, of course everybody knows Freaknik, but my dad used to do the shirts, iconic Freaknik shirts. Oh, the airbrush joints. Yeah, he used to make those shirts and he would take me out there to sell the shirts. So I'm like, yo, I want to make a movie about these teens that were going to Freaknik.
Nick Grant26:34
I lost three people last year. Wow, sorry to hear that. My cousin Young's schooled out on a... People know me on Scooter. Oh, wow. Yeah. Scooter and I lost a childhood friend, so it was like me going through that and still having to navigate the business.
Nick Grant3:50
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DJ EnvyJess HilariousCharlamagne Tha GuyLawn LaRose

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Nick Grant
Topics Discussed
grief and music95%music business toxicity92%lyricism in hip-hop90%screenwriting and film88%artist self-worth87%independent music85%therapeutic art83%Freaknik legacy80%
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