Bill Kristol: Are the Winds Finally Shifting?
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In this episode of The Bulwark, host Sarah Isgur and guest Bill Kristol analyze the historic defeat of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán in the recent national election, framing it as a pivotal moment in the global struggle against illiberal democracy. Kristol praises the Hungarian people for overthrowing a decade-long authoritarian regime, highlighting the leadership of Peter Magyar—a former Orbán ally turned anti-authoritarian figure—who united a broad coalition across ideological lines. The discussion draws parallels between Orbán's tactics and those of Donald Trump, particularly in media control, corruption, and the erosion of democratic norms. The episode underscores how Trump’s alignment with Orbán, including J.D. Vance’s campaign visit to Hungary, backfired spectacularly, contributing to a growing sense of political momentum shifting against authoritarianism. The hosts express cautious hope that this moment signals a broader global backlash against corrupt, populist strongmen, especially as Trump’s approval ratings decline and internal fractures emerge within his administration. They emphasize that while America remains more resilient than Hungary, the winds of change are indeed shifting—and that democratic renewal requires active, bold leadership, not passive optimism.
Orbán’s defeat in Hungary is a landmark victory for liberal democracy and a sign of a global backlash against authoritarianism.
Peter Magyar’s success proves that a center-right, anti-authoritarian leader can unite diverse voters by focusing on economic affordability and national dignity.
Trump’s foreign policy failures—especially his handling of the Strait of Hormuz crisis and his erratic behavior—undermine his credibility and accelerate political momentum against him.
The Democratic Party must move beyond ideological purity and embrace a broad coalition focused on economic competence, anti-corruption, and democratic renewal.
The 2028 election cycle could see a generational shift, with new leaders emerging from outside traditional politics—like Magyar and Zelensky—offering a model for American renewal.
The Fall of Orbán and the Rise of a New Hungary
“It's not just that the Hungarian people were able to do what they did—it's that they did it against a regime that had suppressed opposition media, controlled the courts, and aligned with Putin. That’s inspiring.”
Magyar’s Movement: From Orbanist to Anti-Authoritarian
“He went everywhere—rural towns, small cities—just speaking to people. It wasn’t media. It was shoe leather. It was meeting people face to face.”
Trump’s Global Playbook and the Failure of the Orban Alliance
“J.D. Vance went to Hungary to campaign for Orbán. Now Orbán’s approval is dropping. That’s the kiss of death.”
The Winds Are Shifting: From Despair to Hope
Isgur and Kristol reflect on the psychological shift in American politics, noting that Trump’s flailing, declining approval, and growing internal dissent signal a turning point. They argue that the public is beginning to reject authoritarianism not just ideologically, but practically—especially as inflation and war costs rise.
The Danger of Trump’s De-compensation and the Collapse of Guardrails
“We don’t have a cabinet that’s going to call for the 25th Amendment. We don’t have a military that’s going to check him. And that’s what makes it scary.”
“We don’t have a cabinet that’s going to call for the 25th Amendment. We don’t have a military that’s going to check him. And that’s what makes it scary.”
“The wind is at our backs. But you’ve got to take advantage of it. Stop crying. Start working.”
“J.D. Vance went to Hungary to campaign for Orbán. Now Orbán’s approval is dropping. That’s the kiss of death.”
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Bill Kristol
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Donald Trump
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Peter Magyar
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