Trump vs. The Courts (w/ Nathaniel Zelinsky)
The guest, Nathaniel Zelinsky, a former big law appellate attorney who left his firm in 2025 to co-found the non-profit Washington Litigation Group, delivers a sobering yet hopeful assessment of the current state of the rule of law under Donald Trump’s presidency. He details a landmark legal victory in the Kennedy Center case, where a federal judge ruled that only Congress can rename the institution—affirming that Trump’s attempt to rename it after himself and shutter it for two years was unconstitutional. The ruling, backed by extensive evidence from cultural leaders and scholars, underscores the danger of treating national institutions as personal fiefdoms. Zelinsky argues this case is emblematic of a broader pattern: Trump’s administration is systematically dismantling institutional integrity through visible acts of authoritarianism—renaming monuments, shuttering venues, and weaponizing government for personal gain. These actions, while not always directly threatening liberty, erode public trust and normalize corruption. He highlights the slush fund case—where Trump allegedly settled a fake lawsuit against his own Justice Department to fund political allies—as particularly corrosive because it’s tangible and easily understood by the public. Meanwhile, in other cases, the Justice Department has claimed it can fire any federal employee for any reason, undermining civil service protections and constitutional safeguards.
Only Congress can rename the Kennedy Center—Trump’s attempt to rename it after himself was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge.
The Kennedy Center shutdown plan violated standard practices for performing arts centers, which prioritize phased renovations over total closure.
Trump’s $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS over leaked tax returns is legally baseless and widely seen as a sham to justify a slush fund.
The Justice Department has claimed it can fire any federal employee for any reason—directly challenging civil service protections and constitutional rights.
The slush fund case is uniquely powerful because it’s tangible: $2 billion in government money funneled to January 6th insurrectionists and political allies.
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Introduction and Background
Bill Kristol introduces Nathaniel Zelinsky, a former big law appellate attorney who left his firm in 2025 to co-found the non-profit Washington Litigation Group, which defends the rule of law in the era of Trump.
The Kennedy Center Case: Name Change and Shutdown
“Congress named the Kennedy Center for John F. Kennedy and only Congress can change the name.”
Judicial Pushback and the Meaning of Authoritarianism
“It's a visible mark of authoritarianism. It's sort of something that's more appropriate for Moscow or Pyongyang than it is for Washington, D.C.”
The Slush Fund and Crony Capitalism
“Here's $2 billion that he's giving to his supporters. That's sort of something that an ordinary person can easily grasp onto.”
The Article II Firing Doctrine and Civil Service Erosion
“We can fire anyone for any reason or no reason at all.”
“And it comes to the conclusion that I think is eminently correct, that Congress named the Kennedy Center for John F. Kennedy and only Congress can change the name.”
“It matters because it's a visible mark of authoritarianism. It's sort of something that's more appropriate for Moscow or Pyongyang than it is for Washington, D .C.”
“But saying, look, here's $2 billion that he's giving to his supporters. That's sort of something that an ordinary person can easily grasp onto.”
Host
Guest
Donald Trump
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Kennedy Center
organization
Nathaniel Zelinsky
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Justice Department
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Bill Kristol
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Congress
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IRS
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Washington Litigation Group
organization
Maureen Comey
person
Civil Service Reform Act
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