This company is rewiring the economics of TV advertising

The Business of Content with Simon Owens44mApril 16, 2026

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Philip Engelbrecht, co-founder of Tattari, joins Simon Owens to discuss how his company is transforming TV advertising by building a vertically integrated, software-driven platform that brings digital-like performance measurement, automation, and outcome-based optimization to a traditionally opaque and manual medium. Drawing from his experience as a TV advertiser at Truecar, Engelbrecht shares how he was frustrated by the lack of measurable results and data transparency in linear TV, which led to the creation of Tattari in 2016. The company has since evolved into a full-stack solution that handles everything from creative management and media planning to execution and measurement—using machine learning and AI to suggest optimal campaigns based on eight years of data. Unlike most ad tech platforms that rely on programmatic exchanges, Tattari uses direct publisher integrations with major networks like NBCU and Paramount, eliminating intermediaries and reducing costs while improving brand safety and access to premium inventory. This approach allows even small brands to enter the TV market with as little as $20,000, though Engelbrecht cautions that TV is not yet viable for the smallest SMBs with under $1 million in annual marketing spend. The episode also explores the challenges of measuring TV outcomes without digital clicks, the competitive threat posed by walled gardens like YouTube and Amazon, and how Tattari’s tech enables cross-platform planning across linear and streaming TV with unified reporting. Ultimately, Tattari is redefining TV as a performance channel, not just a brand-building one, while preserving its unique power to reach broad audiences.

Key Takeaways
1

Tattari uses direct publisher integrations instead of programmatic exchanges to eliminate intermediaries, reduce costs, and improve brand safety in TV ad buying.

2

The platform enables outcome-based measurement—tracking whether TV ads drive website visits, app installs, or sales—using probabilistic and deterministic models.

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Brands can now launch TV campaigns with as little as $20,000, significantly lowering the barrier to entry compared to the traditional $3M+ threshold.

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Tattari’s AI-driven system suggests media plans based on billions in historical data, allowing brands to approve and launch campaigns in minutes.

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Despite the dominance of platforms like YouTube and Amazon, Tattari helps brands reach audiences beyond digital walled gardens, especially through linear TV’s broad reach.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

The New CMO’s First TV Ad: Can You Just Sign Up and Go?

Simon Owens opens the episode by asking how a new CMO with a $1.5M annual marketing budget can navigate TV advertising without prior experience, setting up the core theme of accessibility and simplicity in modern ad tech.

2:00
3 min

From Personal Frustration to Tattari: The Founding Story

I had a lot of fears around TV advertising and the truth is all my fears came true. We launched a two, $3 million TV campaign and we weren't really sure what was working and wasn't working.

Highlight
5:00
5 min

The Problem with TV Measurement: Nielsen vs. Outcome-Based

Success of a campaign was determined by the extent to which it drove an outcome... did it bring somebody to my website? Did they buy the product?

Highlight
10:00
10 min

How Tattari Works: From Creative to Execution in One Platform

We don't need to talk to the networks anymore. There's a fool. Technology integration as it comes to media execution.

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20:00
10 min

Why Tattari Avoids Programmatic: The Power of Direct Deals

If the market, if supply is this concentrated, why go through this whole SSP or programmatic principle when you can do one by one?

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High-Impact Quotes
Success of a campaign was determined by the extent to which it drove an outcome... did it bring somebody to my website? Did they buy the product?
Philip Engelbrecht9:02
Viral: 90.0
75% of all the brands that we bring to TV, we bring about one new brand to TV every day, 75% of those is their first ad dollar on TV ever.
Philip Engelbrecht34:53
Viral: 88.0
I had a lot of fears around TV advertising and the truth is all my fears came true. We launched a two, $3 million TV campaign and we weren't really sure what was working and wasn't working.
Philip Engelbrecht5:03
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Simon Owens

Guest

Philip Engelbrecht
Topics Discussed
Outcome-Based Measurement95%TV Advertising Automation90%Walled Gardens and Data Advantage85%Direct Publisher Integrations85%Lowering Barriers to Entry80%Media Tech and Platform Competition78%AI in Creative Production75%Brand Building vs. Performance Marketing70%
People & Brands

Tattari

organization

30xPositive

Philip Engelbrecht

person

25xPositive

YouTube

organization

8xMixed

Netflix

organization

5xNeutral

Nielsen

organization

5xNeutral

Truecar

organization

5xNeutral

Amazon

organization

4xMixed

NBCU

organization

4xPositive

Meta

organization

4xMixed

Google

organization

4xMixed

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