Constantly Surprising with Matthew Swanson and Robbi Behr
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Matthew Swanson and Robbie Baer, the creative duo behind the Cookie Chronicles series and the nonprofit Busload of Books tour, join Matthew Winner on The Children's Book Podcast to discuss their new standalone novel, Life on the Moon. The story follows 12-year-old Leo Brightstar, who moves to the moon with his family only to discover that the official narrative—that there is no life on the moon—is a lie. As Leo uncovers a hidden world of interconnected, tentacled creatures called Valrutans and confronts a mysterious moon monster, the novel explores themes of truth, assumption, and the courage to question authority. The conversation reveals how humor, absurdity, and visual storytelling serve as powerful tools to engage young readers with complex emotional and philosophical ideas. Both creators emphasize the importance of connection, wonder, and authenticity in their work, drawing inspiration from real-life school visits where they witness children’s fearless self-expression and resilience. Their collaborative process—Matthew’s voice-driven writing and Robbie’s cinematic, mood-evoking illustrations—results in a book that is both deeply imaginative and emotionally resonant. The episode highlights the profound impact of educators and librarians like Kathy Frizzell, who tirelessly advocate for students through grant writing and outreach. Swanson and Baer reflect on how their books are not just stories but bridges to human connection, especially in underserved Title I communities. They also discuss the challenges and creative rhythms of their workflow, with Robbie’s deadline-driven productivity contrasting Matthew’s desire for early completion. Ultimately, the message to young readers is clear: hold onto your wonder, trust your instincts, and believe in your power to make a difference. The novel, available in print and audiobook formats, is positioned as both a joyful adventure and a quiet call to action for a more compassionate, curious world.
Use humor and absurdity as tools to explore serious themes like truth, authority, and emotional vulnerability in children's literature.
The most powerful stories are those that connect readers to themselves and others—especially through shared wonder and authenticity.
Collaboration thrives when creators embrace their differences: Matthew’s voice-first writing and Robbie’s mood-driven illustration create a dynamic, complementary process.
Educators and librarians are essential architects of connection—supporting them is key to expanding access to books and imagination.
Children’s natural curiosity and self-assurance are not just traits to be nurtured—they are the foundation of future change.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Welcome to the Children's Book Podcast: A Celebration of Connection
“We always say we walk into a school, everybody loves us, they all want to talk to us and hug us, and then we leave at the end of the day. As opposed to you, sir, who goes every single day and serves your community every single day. Incredible. All respect to you and what you do.”
Introducing Life on the Moon: A Standalone Adventure of Wonder and Truth
“The first rule of life on the moon is there is no life on the moon. The second rule is don't ask questions.”
The Power of Absurdity and Humor in Storytelling
Swanson and Baer discuss how humor—especially absurd, unexpected, and playful language—serves as a bridge to deeper emotional truths. They explore how the AI rovers, the moon monster’s nicknames, and the inversion of character expectations create moments of surprise that keep readers engaged. The conversation reveals that humor is not just entertainment but a strategic, intuitive way to access difficult topics like fear, authority, and identity.
Artistic Evolution: From Color to Cinematic Black and White
“I wanted the illustrations to feel less like in your face and more like evoking an environment and kind of like giving a feeling rather than showing stuff.”
The Creative Process: Deadlines, Differences, and the Secret Sauce of Collaboration
The duo reveals their contrasting creative rhythms—Matthew’s early completion style versus Robbie’s deadline-driven productivity. Robbie admits to procrastination and last-minute bursts of energy, often working 20–30 pages a day under pressure. Despite the tension, they credit their differences as the 'secret sauce' that has sustained their long-term collaboration. They also discuss the limited feedback on longer illustrated novels, emphasizing the importance of self-reflection and revision.
“I hope for these kids that they can just hold on to the wonder for a little while, as long as they can. As long as they can.”
“We always say we walk into a school, everybody loves us, they all want to talk to us and hug us, and then we leave at the end of the day. As opposed to you, sir, who goes every single day and serves your community every single day. Incredible. All respect to you and what you do.”
“The world right now is full of situations. Facts that might seem very discouraging and that might seem daunting or even insurmountable. And I want kids to know that I strongly believe that they possess within themselves the tools, the instincts, the powers to connect and collaborate to build a better world for themselves.”
Host
Guests
Robbie Baer
person
Matthew Swanson
person
Life on the Moon
book
Matthew Winner
person
Cookie Chronicles
other
Leo Brightstar
other
Valrutans
other
Busload of Books
other
Kathy Frizzell
person
Libro.fm
other
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