Living With One Foot in Both Worlds, Part Two | Grave Talks CLASSIC
The second part of 'The Grave Talks' dives deep into the chilling true story of Natalie Bradford, who married Devin Bradford after encountering his wife's ghost at the scene of her murder. Within months of moving into the haunted Lindenwood estate, Natalie endured terrifying paranormal activity—cold spots, shadow figures, and a demonic presence that physically manifested in Devin himself, who claimed to have made a pact with the devil on a mountain. The guest, L. Sidney Fisher, recounts her own journey from skeptic to paranormal investigator, detailing how writing and researching haunted locations—especially 'The Devil's Den,' a place she believes is possessed—has reshaped her perception of the spiritual realm. She reveals that some entities aren't earthbound spirits but non-human, possibly summoned forces that drain energy and leave investigators physically and emotionally shattered. Fisher also shares how her sensitivity to the paranormal has evolved: once jumpy, she's now mesmerized by the phenomenon, though she warns against playing with Ouija boards or inviting spirits. Her upcoming memoir, *Followed Out of the Light*, and a new fictional series featuring CIA-backed paranormal investigator Gabby Beckett, signal a bold expansion into alien phenomena and covert supernatural operations—proving that the line between ghost stories and extraterrestrial encounters is thinner than we think.
Devin Bradford physically transformed into a demonic figure, claiming he chose the devil over God on a mountain, and carried a gun into the house during his trial.
The Devil's Den, a location Fisher believes is demonically possessed, left her so drained she vowed never to return.
Earthbound spirits often linger due to confusion, trauma, or unfinished business—like a mother who died in childbirth and never saw her baby.
Non-human entities, especially those summoned via Ouija boards, can be dangerous, draining energy and leaving investigators with flu-like symptoms for days.
Fisher’s sensitivity to the paranormal has evolved from fear to fascination, allowing her to 'tune in' mentally like meditation to connect with spirits.
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The Haunting of Natalie Bradford
“He stood on a mountain and the devil promised him something, money or, you know, a life full of riches or whatever. And he chose the devil. That's what he told her.”
The Devil's Den: A Place That Drains You
“I never want to go back to that place again. Not ever. So, I feel sorry for the neighbors who even live near it.”
From Skeptic to Paranormal Investigator
Fisher shares how her long-standing research evolved into a full paranormal investigation team, PARA, and a TV series called 'The Pair of Files,' which pushed her to confront intense paranormal activity.
The Energy of the Paranormal: Earthbound vs. Non-Human
Fisher distinguishes between earthbound spirits (who open cabinets or make noise) and non-human entities that drain energy, cause illness, and may be summoned through occult practices.
Tuning In: The Clairvoyant Mindset
She describes how clairvoyance requires mental focus like meditation—tuning out distractions to connect with spirits, which can be overwhelming or unexpectedly welcoming.
“He stood on the staircase and told Natalie Bradford that he stood on a mountain and the devil promised him something, money or, you know, a life full of riches or whatever. And he... Turn to the dark side. So it's a very, it's a very intense scene and believe it or not, that really happened.”
“And I will tell you that I never want to go back to that place again. Not ever. So, I feel sorry for the neighbors who even live near it.”
“But writing a memoir is exhausting because it requires you to open yourself up You've got to tell it all.”
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Natalie Bradford
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Devin Bradford
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The Devil's Den
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Gabby Beckett
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