799.5 Laurie Frankel's Enormous Wings (Revisited) | My Last Book with Julie Gilbert

The History of Literature56mMay 10, 2026

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In this rerun of a previously aired episode, Jack Wilson of The History of Literature welcomes author Laurie Frankel to discuss her novel *Enormous Wings*, a poignant and imaginative exploration of motherhood, aging, and bodily autonomy. The story centers on Pepper Mills, a 77-year-old woman who moves into a retirement community against her will, only to discover she is unexpectedly pregnant—a revelation that upends her life and forces her to confront the physical, emotional, and societal challenges of aging while carrying a child. Frankel uses the fantastical premise not as a gimmick, but as a lens to examine real-world issues: the erasure of older women’s sexuality, the politics of reproductive rights, and the resilience of the human spirit. Through Pepper’s journey, the novel interrogates what it means to be seen, heard, and valued in later life, especially when one’s body defies expectation. The conversation also delves into Frankel’s creative process, her inspiration from authors like Hilary Mantel and Dickens, and her deliberate choice to write with confidence and without apology, mirroring the tone of *A Christmas Carol* in its unflinching narrative authority. The episode closes with Julie Gilbert reflecting on her own literary legacy and her ideal 'last book'—a return to childhood wonder through the works of Edna Ferber and Beatrix Potter.

Key Takeaways
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Pregnancy at 77 is a fictional premise used to explore real issues: bodily autonomy, aging, and societal erasure of older women.

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The novel reframes 'impossibility' not as a miracle, but as something to endure—highlighting resilience over celebration.

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Older adults face unique challenges in parenting, but also unique advantages: no work-life balance, no sandwich generation stress, and more time.

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The book critiques how society dismisses older people’s voices and experiences, even as they remain vital and capable.

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Frankel draws narrative strength from classic literature like *A Christmas Carol* and *The Tempest*, using their tone of unapologetic realism to ground the fantastical.

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Introduction and Rerun Context

Jack introduces the rerun of the episode discussing Laurie Frankel's novel *Enormous Wings*, explaining the scheduling error that led to an early release and the decision to rebroadcast it on Mother's Day, aligning with the book's themes.

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Pepper Mills: A 77-Year-Old at Life's Threshold

It's like moving into a dorm, except that college is all exciting possibilities and a retirement community has a wing for memory care.

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5 min

The Unexpected Pregnancy and Its Implications

Pregnancy effects. Of course it does. You know, as any other aspect of family has broad affects on lots and lots of people.

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5 min

Agency, Bodily Autonomy, and the Politics of Aging

Pregnancy, it kind of eats away at the body, doesn't it? I mean, it like drains the woman's body of nutrients and important things that human bodies need to live and survive.

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5 min

The Role of Literature and Inspiration

Frankel reflects on her literary influences—Hilary Mantel, Dickens, Shakespeare’s *The Tempest*—and how they shaped the tone and structure of *Enormous Wings*, particularly the idea of enduring impossibility.

High-Impact Quotes
We know it is impossible. The question is who can best endure impossibility?
Hilary Mantel (epigraph)31:55
Viral: 90.0
I'm not pulling punches. I'm not apologizing for this. I'm not going to explain it to you.
Laurie Frankel49:49
Viral: 88.0
Pregnancy effects. Of course it does. You know, as any other aspect of family has broad affects on lots and lots of people.
Laurie Frankel33:09
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Jack Wilson

Guests

Laurie FrankelJulie Gilbert
Topics Discussed
pregnancy in later life95%aging and retirement92%bodily autonomy and reproductive rights90%motherhood and identity88%the erasure of older voices85%role reversal in family dynamics80%literary inspiration and influence78%intergenerational relationships75%
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pepper mills

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laurie frankel

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jack wilson

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the history of literature

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moth

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edna ferber

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a christmas carol

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hilary mantel

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julie gilbert

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maggie kuhn

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