S8 Ep997: Anatol Lieven discusses NATO's top US commander, General Grynkewich, who states Russia is not looking for conflict despite European concerns about US military withdrawals. Lieven agrees, noting that the Russian army is bogged down in Ukraine, making a del
The guest, Anatol Lieven, argues that NATO's top U.S. commander, General Grinkiewicz, is correct in stating that Russia is not seeking conflict—despite alarmist rhetoric from European media and politicians. Lieven contends that Russia’s military is deeply bogged down in Ukraine, suffering massive casualties and strategic stagnation, making any new aggression against NATO implausible. He criticizes the West for inflating the Russian threat to justify defense spending, noting that European armed forces have decayed while leaders use fear-mongering to secure budgets. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s growing deep-strike capabilities and attacks on Russian infrastructure are weakening Moscow’s economy and fueling war weariness among Russians. Even within Russia, voices are emerging calling for a compromise peace. Lieven also highlights internal European tensions, including criticism of EU foreign policy chief Ms. Callas for being overly fixated on Russia and ineffective in diplomacy, suggesting a shift toward national governments reclaiming foreign policy control. The episode concludes with a call for rational, realistic dialogue with Russia—something Europe is only now beginning to consider. The core takeaway is that the war in Ukraine has fundamentally changed Russia’s strategic posture: it is no longer a threat to NATO, but a weakened state under internal strain.
Russia is not seeking conflict with NATO, according to General Grinkiewicz, and Lieven agrees this is a realistic assessment given Russia’s military stagnation in Ukraine.
Ukraine’s deep-strike capabilities are damaging Russian infrastructure, contributing to economic strain and growing war weariness in Russia.
European military decline is real—Britain’s aircraft carrier broke down again, and its defense minister resigned over underfunding.
Western leaders use exaggerated Russian threats to justify defense spending, even when the threat is not credible.
Zelensky’s attempt to use Abramovich as an interlocutor shows Ukraine’s willingness to pursue peace—but only if Russia accepts genuine compromises.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Russia Not Seeking Conflict, Says NATO Commander
“The idea that Russia is going deliberately to seek out a conflict with NATO seems, you know, on the face of it completely absurd.”
Why Russia Can't Attack NATO
Lieven explains that Russia’s army is trapped in Ukraine, suffering massive casualties and minimal gains, making a new war with NATO illogical.
Europe’s Military Decline and Fear-Mongering
European armed forces have deteriorated, and leaders use exaggerated Russian threats to justify defense spending, even when the threat is overstated.
Ukraine’s Growing Strike Capability
Ukraine is now demonstrating deep-strike power, damaging Russian refineries and energy infrastructure, increasing pressure on Moscow.
Russia’s Internal Strain and War Weariness
Russian economy is suffering, infrastructure is failing, and public frustration is growing—signs that the war is eroding domestic support.
“The idea that Russia is going deliberately to seek out a conflict with NATO seems, you know, on the face of it completely absurd.”
“Right, now is the time, you know, to offer a compromise and see if indeed Russia is under sufficient pressure that Putin would accept that.”
“a lot of Russians because it's made their lives more difficult and that this is indeed another factor in the growing war weariness in Russia.”
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Anatol Lieven
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General Grinkiewicz
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Callas
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Zelensky
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FSB
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Abramovich
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Britain
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Moscow
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VFT
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Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft
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