Hour 2: Washington Gold Exchange has become Idaho Gold Exchange
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The John Curley Show dives into the story of Greg Ryan, owner of Washington Gold Exchange, who has relocated his business to Idaho in response to a new 10.3% sales tax on precious metals passed in Washington State. Despite lawmakers claiming there's 'no evidence' of capital flight, Ryan shares firsthand experience of record-breaking demand before the tax took effect in January 2025, followed by a mass exodus of customers and businesses to neighboring states like Idaho, where taxes are more favorable. He recounts the emotional toll of leaving a family business that has operated in Washington for 125 years, and criticizes the state's anti-business legislature for ignoring economic reality and prioritizing revenue over small enterprise. The episode challenges the narrative that people won't change behavior due to taxes, using Ryan’s story as proof that capital flight is not a myth but a predictable economic response. The show also features a lighter segment on car privacy and a humorous story about a stolen car and a flirtatious cop, while promoting listener engagement through a call for more stories of businesses relocating due to taxation.
Tax increases on precious metals in Washington State have triggered real capital flight, with businesses like Washington Gold Exchange relocating to Idaho to avoid a 10.3% sales tax.
Lawmakers' claims of 'no evidence' of capital flight are contradicted by real-world data: Idaho has seen a 40% surge in buyers and sellers from Washington.
Small businesses are disproportionately impacted by aggressive taxation, while large corporations are shielded, leading to long-term economic decline.
Economic models that assume static behavior (no change in consumer habits) fail to account for dynamic market responses like migration of customers and businesses.
Business owners are being forced to leave their communities, lose local jobs, and stop paying local taxes—proving that tax policy has real human and economic consequences.
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The Myth of No Capital Flight
“They're making the adjustments. And again, when they do these analysis, they do as a static analysis rather than that dynamic. You know that from selling gold and silver. That's a dynamic force.”
Greg Ryan’s Relocation to Idaho
“I don't think they've ever signed the front of a check in their life. They've only signed the back of checks, which means they've never owned a business.”
The Reality of Tax Policy and Market Response
“If I try to sell gold in this state, right now with gold at $4,500 roughly, I got to charge $450 more per ounce than if someone buys from someone in another state.”
Call for Listener Stories and Public Accountability
The show invites listeners to submit stories of businesses relocating due to taxation, promising to confront lawmakers with real evidence. The host challenges the idea that capital flight is a myth.
Car Privacy and Lighter Segments
A humorous segment on car tracking technology and a story about a stolen car and a flirtatious cop provide comic relief. The episode ends with a plug for Shopify and listener engagement.
“I don't think they've ever signed the front of a check in their life. They've only signed the back of checks, which means they've never owned a business.”
“If I try to sell gold in this state, right now with gold at $4,500 roughly, I got to charge $450 more per ounce than if someone buys from someone in another state.”
“They're making the adjustments. And again, when they do these analysis, they do as a static analysis rather than that dynamic. You know that from selling gold and silver. That's a dynamic force.”
Host
Guest
Greg Ryan
person
Washington Gold Exchange
other
Idaho Gold Exchange
other
Washington Coin and Bullion Association
organization
Craig Ryan
person
Jamie Peterson
person
Natasha Hill
person
Best Buyers
person
Tim Orsby
person
Booth Gardner
person
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