BONUS - Rachel Goldberg-Polin: Mother of murdered hostage Hersh 'parcels out her pain' in book
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In this poignant bonus episode of The Times of Israel Daily Briefing, arts and culture editor Jessica Steinberg interviews Rachel Goldberg-Polin, mother of Hirsch Goldberg-Polin, who was taken hostage by Hamas on October 7, 2023, and murdered in captivity in August 2024. Rachel discusses her new memoir, *When We See You Again*, which she describes not as a memoir or a tell-all, but as a deeply personal act of 'parceling out her pain'—a raw, emotional release of grief that she could no longer contain. The book, written in fragments prompted by her husband John and her therapist, becomes her answer to the universal yet unanswerable question: 'How are you?' It captures her journey from the pre-October 7th life of a mother, educator, and observant Jew, through the 330 days of torment during her son’s captivity, to the aftermath of his death. Rachel reflects on how writing became a form of 'broadcast therapy,' allowing her to externalize her suffering while honoring her son’s humanity—not as a hero, but as a complex, ordinary young man. She also shares the profound impact of small moments of connection, like the book Hirsch left behind that helped fellow hostages survive, and the spiritual insight she gained from meeting Orlevi, who brought light into her darkness. As she prepares for a book tour, Rachel expresses hope that her story will contribute to a larger 'why'—a purpose that sustains her amid unbearable loss. The episode reveals Rachel’s philosophy of 'tragic optimism'—a term she embraces as the antidote to toxic positivity. She acknowledges that grief is not something to be overcome, but a defining part of her identity. Her writing, though painful to revisit, is an act of love and truth-telling, meant to help others see the invisible pain she carries. The conversation is both heartbreaking and uplifting, emphasizing the power of storytelling, memory, and community in the face of unimaginable tragedy. Rachel’s message is clear: to be human is to carry pain and hope simultaneously, and in that duality lies resilience.
Writing the book was not about healing but about 'parceling out pain'—a necessary release of grief that could no longer be contained.
The book serves as a living answer to the question 'How are you?'—a long, honest response to a question that has no good answer.
Rachel rejects the reduction of her son and other victims to 'heroes,' insisting they were whole, complex people before their deaths.
She embraces 'tragic optimism'—a mindset that holds both deep sorrow and enduring hope, rejecting both toxic positivity and despair.
The book’s editing process involved cutting 87 pages deemed too painful, showing the importance of editorial wisdom in balancing truth with emotional sustainability.
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Introduction and Context: The Book and the Mother
Jessica Steinberg introduces Rachel Goldberg-Polin, author of *When We See You Again*, and sets the stage by describing the book’s release and its symbolic cover featuring the masking tape Rachel wore to mark days since October 7th. The episode begins with a warm, personal tone, acknowledging Rachel’s role as a mother and advocate.
The Birth of the Book: Pain as a Catalyst
“My soul was buckling from the pain... I just didn't know how to keep it in this backpack that is always on my back. And it spilled out.”
The Book as 'Broadcast Therapy' and the Question 'How Are You?'
“I want you to see my pain. So as a reader, it's very visible and understandable or maybe not understandable. Well, understandable why, but painful, painfully obvious.”
The Emotional Toll of Writing and Recording
“I was reading it, but I was trying not to digest what I was reading because I thought I cannot live through this again.”
Tragic Optimism: The Philosophy of Living in Grief
“I am a tragic optimist. And so I wrote, who coined that phrase? And it should not surprise you, Jessica Steinberg. That? It was Viktor Frankl.”
“I am a tragic optimist. And so I wrote, who coined that phrase? And it should not surprise you, Jessica Steinberg. That? It was Viktor Frankl.”
“I want you to see my pain. So as a reader, it's very visible and understandable or maybe not understandable. Well, understandable why, but painful, painfully obvious.”
“My soul was buckling from the pain... I just didn't know how to keep it in this backpack that is always on my back. And it spilled out.”
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Rachel Goldberg-Polin
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Hirsch Goldberg-Polin
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Jessica Steinberg
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John
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Orlevi
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Elie Sharabi
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Viktor Frankl
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Afeka College
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American Friends of Afeka
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Zev
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