BONUS: Inside "Let's Not and Say We Did"
The bonus episode 'Inside 'Let's Not and Say We Did'' reveals how writer Mac Rogers transformed a personal curiosity about ethical non-monogamy into a story about creative partnership and self-discovery. Rogers shares that his own disillusionment with casual sex inspired the central dilemma of the protagonist, Jeff, who pretends to have affairs to avoid feeling inadequate in his marriage. What began as a one-off character, Leslie, evolved into a co-conspirator and creative equal, turning their deception into a profound artistic collaboration. The story’s emotional core—Jeff’s revelation that he ‘much prefer[s] being something for you’—emerges not from a scripted plan but from organic improvisation, mirroring the show’s broader philosophy: that the magic of audio storytelling lies in the live, unscripted connection between performers. Rogers reflects on how the final music, initially feared as too porny, actually captured the exhilaration of creative intimacy. The episode closes with a powerful parallel: just as Jeff and Leslie find a soulful connection beyond romance, Rogers himself found his creative home at UCB Theater—proving that the most transformative relationships aren’t always romantic, but deeply collaborative.
Jeff’s lie about having affairs becomes a creative partnership with Leslie, revealing that artistic collaboration can be more intimate than physical intimacy.
The story’s climax—'I much prefer being something for you'—was an improvised line that captured the core truth of the narrative.
Music initially feared as too porny actually enhanced the story by mirroring the thrill of creative creation, not physical sex.
Improvisation in audio drama isn’t about changing words—it’s about making actors truly listen and respond in real time, creating authentic emotional connection.
The most powerful creative relationships resemble romantic love but aren’t romantic: they’re about finding a 'sandbox' where you belong.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
Introduction to the Bonus Episode
Jonathan Mitchell introduces the bonus episode, explaining it’s a spoiler-filled conversation with writer Mac Rogers about the origins of 'Let's Not and Say We Did', and clarifies it’s meant to be listened to after the main story.
The Origin of the Story: From Personal Experience to Fiction
“I didn't enjoy it at all. So I became fascinated by the idea of a couple where they tried to do this because their relationship was at a real standstill.”
The Birth of Leslie: A Co-Conspirator Emerges
“Suddenly, and writers live for these moments, suddenly all the light bulbs started going off.”
The Compulsory Need to Write: Exploring the Unfamiliar
Rogers discusses how writing is less about making a statement and more about investigating personal questions—especially those about lifestyles he doesn’t understand, like ethical non-monogamy.
The Climactic Line: 'I Much Prefer Being Something for You'
“Yes, because I like not being everything for you. I much prefer being something for you.”
“And he says, yes, because I like not being everything for you. I much prefer being something for you.”
“to like look at another person and see, sort of see a soulmate, but not a romantic one, but like a creative soulmate.”
“But I think potentially there's kind of a droll element to slightly porny sounding music playing in a story where sex frequently isn't happening where it's assumed to be happening.”
Host
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Mac Rogers
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Jonathan Mitchell
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Let's Not and Say We Did
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The Truth
media
Jeff
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Leslie
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Ingrid
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UCB Theater
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Robert Altman
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John Cassavetes
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