מנחות פג 5779
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This episode of Daf Yomi: The 35 Minute Daf explores the intricate halachic discussion in Menachos 83b, focusing on the source and derivation of the requirement that certain sacrifices, particularly Pesach, must come from Chulun (the land of Israel). The episode begins with a detailed analysis of the machlokes (dispute) between Rebelezer and Rebbe Kiva regarding how we learn that Pesach must come from Chulun. Rebelezer derives it from the Pesach Mitzrayim, where there was no Meishushet (local produce), so it had to come from Chulun. Rebbe Kiva rejects this, arguing that you cannot learn a halacha from a situation that was impossible (Efsher from Efsher). Instead, Rebbe Kiva derives the halacha from the Chatos, which explicitly states that it must come from Chulun and be brought during the day. The discussion then shifts to the broader principle of learning halachos from one korban to another, using the concept of 'just like this, so too that.' The episode delves into the specifics of Mincha, its kedusha, absorption, and the rules about leftover Pesach becoming a Shlomim. It also examines the debate over whether the Omer and Shtei Lechem can be brought from Yashon (old produce), with three tana'im holding different views. The episode concludes with a discussion of the geographic source of the grain, emphasizing the importance of Eretz Yisrael and the best-quality produce, such as from Michmas, Zanoach, and other locations. The host emphasizes the precision and depth of the Talmudic method of drashah and its relevance to understanding the mitzvot.
Rebbe Kiva rejects learning from a possible situation (Efsher) to a possible situation, arguing that one cannot derive a halacha from an impossible scenario like Pesach Mitzrayim.
The halacha that Pesach must come from Chulun is derived by Rebbe Kiva from the Chatos, not from Pesach Mitzrayim.
Leftover Pesach can be brought as a Shlomim, and this is derived from the extra language in the Torah about Zevach Shlom K'chad Sonu Bakar.
The Omer and Shtei Lechem must come from Chodesh (new produce), but there is a machlokes whether they can be brought from Yashon (old produce).
The best-quality grain for korbanos must come from specific places in Eretz Yisrael, such as Michmas, Zanoach, and others, emphasizing the importance of quality in mitzvah performance.
The Machlokes Between Rebelezer and Rebbe Kiva on Pesach's Source
“You can't learn out how to Efsher from Efsher.”
Rebbe Kiva's Derivation from Chatos and the Principle of Learning from One Korban to Another
“Just like Chatos, it only comes from Chulon. And it has to be brought during the day because it says, Uviyadah was on the right hand.”
The Derivation of Leftover Pesach Becoming a Shlomim
“If you have anything leftovers, the leftovers of Pesach can be bought for Shlomo which does come from Tzom and Bokar.”
The Debate Over Omer and Shtei Lechem: Can They Be Brought from Yashon?
The episode explores the machlokes between tana'im regarding whether the Omer and Shtei Lechem can be brought from Yashon (old produce). One tana holds they cannot, another holds they can, and a third holds they can even come from Chutz LaAretz.
The Importance of Quality and Geographic Source of Grain for Korbanos
The episode discusses the requirement that korbanos must come from the best-quality grain, specifically from places like Michmas, Zanoach, and other locations in Eretz Yisrael. The importance of quality and the mitzvah of bringing the choicest grain is emphasized.
“You can't learn out how to Efsher from Efsher.”
“Just like Chatos, it only comes from Chulon. And it has to be brought during the day because it says, Uviyadah was on the right hand.”
“If you have anything leftovers, the leftovers of Pesach can be bought for Shlomo which does come from Tzom and Bokar.”
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Rebbe Kiva
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Rebelezer
person
Eretz Yisrael
place
Chatos
other
Chulun
place
Mincha
other
Pesach Mitzrayim
other
Shtei Lechem
other
Omer
other
Rashi
person
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