מנחות פב 5786
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This episode of Daf Yomi: The 35 Minute Daf explores the intricate halachic discussion surrounding the sanctity (kedusha) of ma'aser sheni money and its use in purchasing korbanot (sacrifices), particularly shlamim and todah offerings. The central debate revolves around whether ma'aser sheni funds can be designated to become 'shlamim money'—that is, money imbued with the sanctity of a shlamim sacrifice—rather than merely being used to buy an animal for sacrifice. The Gemara presents a machloket (dispute) between Rav Ami and Rabbi Yehuda, with Rav Ami ruling that the kedusha of ma'aser sheni cannot be transferred to become shlamim kedusha, even if the money is used to buy an animal. This leads to a deeper exploration of the principle that obligations (chovot) like a todah or shlamim must come from chulin (non-sacred) funds, not from ma'aser sheni, drawing a parallel to the korban Pesach, which had to come from chulin in Mitzrayim due to the absence of ma'aser sheni. The discussion then delves into the halachic principle of learning from a case of impossibility (efsher) to a case of possibility (afshir), with a key dispute between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Kiva. Rabbi Lezer argues that we cannot learn from Mitzrayim (where it was impossible to use ma'aser sheni) to Doros (where it was possible), while Rabbi Kiva contends that the principle of hekesh (biblical analogy) overrides this. The episode concludes with a discussion of the broader principle that certain halachot are derived through hekesh, and that even when a hekish exists, it may not override other principles like the impossibility of learning from efsher to afshir. The episode ends with a dedication to the memory of Boruch Smith and a warm Chag Sameach greeting.
Ma'aser sheni money cannot be designated as 'shlamim money'—its kedusha cannot be transferred to become that of a shlamim sacrifice.
Any korban that is a chov (obligation), such as a todah or shlamim, must be brought from chulin (non-sacred) funds, not from ma'aser sheni.
The korban Pesach in Mitzrayim had to come from chulin because there was no ma'aser sheni yet, and this serves as a precedent for all future Pesach offerings.
The principle of learning from efsher (impossible) to afshir (possible) is debated: Rabbi Lezer holds it is invalid, while Rabbi Kiva allows it under certain conditions.
A hekesh (biblical analogy) can be a powerful source of halacha, but it may not override other foundational principles like the impossibility of learning from efsher to afshir.
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Introduction to Ma'aser Sheni and Shlamim Kedusha
The episode opens with a greeting and introduction to the daf, focusing on the halachic discussion of ma'aser sheni and whether its money can be designated as shlamim money. The host explains the basic rules of ma'aser sheni and the requirement to eat it in Yerushalayim or redeem it.
The Machloket: Can Ma'aser Sheni Money Become Shlamim Money?
“Lo konishlamim. It's not kamishlamim. Umay lo yitzah or l'chulen? What does he mean? If it would be a carbon, if it would be a real shlom, what do you do with the shlom? You eat it. What do you do with the high? The high is chul, and you could use it to make a jacket or make a tablecloth, whatever. But Heber didn't have that status because he never really transferred it because it says lo kodishlam.”
The Principle of Chov and Chulin: The Case of the Obligatory Korban
“If you have an obligation to bring something, it has to come from Chulon, just like we saw by Pesach.”
The Debate: Learning from Efsher to Afshir
“You don't learn about something which is possible for something which is impossible. In Mitzrayim, they only had Chulun. They couldn't bring money. They didn't have Maizr Shani. So they had to bring the Karb and Pesach from Chulun. But later on, when they lived in Eretz Yisrael and they had a base of Migdash, et cetera. where they could bring it, they had Meishashenim. Maybe you could bring the Pesach from Meishashenim.”
The Role of Hekish and the Limits of Derashah
The discussion examines the power of hekesh (biblical analogy) in halacha. The host explains that while a hekish can be a strong source, it may not override other principles, such as the impossibility of learning from efsher to afshir.
“Lo konishlamim. It's not kamishlamim. Umay lo yitzah or l'chulen? What does he mean? If it would be a carbon, if it would be a real shlom, what do you do with the shlom? You eat it. What do you do with the high? The high is chul, and you could use it to make a jacket or make a tablecloth, whatever. But Heber didn't have that status because he never really transferred it because it says lo kodishlam.”
“You don't learn about something which is possible for something which is impossible. In Mitzrayim, they only had Chulun. They couldn't bring money. They didn't have Maizr Shani. So they had to bring the Karb and Pesach from Chulun. But later on, when they lived in Eretz Yisrael and they had a base of Migdash, et cetera. where they could bring it, they had Meishashenim. Maybe you could bring the Pesach from Meishashenim.”
“If you have an obligation to bring something, it has to come from Chulon, just like we saw by Pesach.”
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Ma'aser Sheni
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Shlamim
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Chulin
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Korban Pesach
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Rabbi Lezer
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Hekish
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Pesach Mitzrayim
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Pesach Doros
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Rabbi Kiva
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Efsher
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