The spy network that took on America's Nazi groups

Fresh Air43mApril 23, 2026

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In this episode of Fresh Air, host Terry Gross interviews historian Stephen J. Ross about his new book, The Secret War Against Hate, which chronicles the covert efforts of Jewish and nonsectarian anti-Nazi organizations in the U.S. from the 1940s through the 1970s to infiltrate and dismantle post-World War II American Nazi groups. Ross details how the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the now-defunct Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League recruited and paid undercover operatives—some rising to leadership roles within hate groups like the Colombians and the National Renaissance Party—to gather intelligence and report to law enforcement. These efforts were born out of desperation, as government agencies like the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover ignored or dismissed threats from white supremacists, leaving communities to defend themselves. The episode draws powerful parallels to the recent indictment of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which faces charges of fraud and money laundering for using donor funds to pay undercover informants—a tactic the SPLC discontinued but which mirrors the very strategies Ross describes. Ross argues that such infiltration was not only legal but necessary, and that the indictment may be politically motivated, echoing past attempts to discredit anti-hate organizations as 'Jewish Gestapo.' He emphasizes that hate movements have long exploited grievance politics, and that today’s far-right extremism—exemplified by groups like the Proud Boys and the January 6th insurrectionists—has deep roots in the post-war American Nazi movement.

Key Takeaways
1

Undercover infiltration by Jewish and nonsectarian groups was a necessary response to government inaction against white supremacist and Nazi organizations in the 1940s–1970s.

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The FBI and local law enforcement often ignored or dismissed warnings from anti-hate groups, forcing them to take self-defense measures.

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The SPLC’s current indictment for using donor money to fund undercover informants echoes past tactics that were essential to exposing hate groups.

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Post-WWII American Nazis were more extreme than the KKK, with plans for mass murder, deportation, and seizing Jewish wealth.

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Modern far-right movements like the Proud Boys and January 6th organizers share ideological roots with 1940s–50s neo-Nazi groups.

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Chapters
0:00
6 min

The SPLC Indictment and Its Historical Echoes

I think we're seeing a deja vu all over again, that once again these groups in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, the Anti-Defamation League... were also sending in undercover agents and spies. But that was only because the government had refused to protect their lives.

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6:20
10 min

The Rise of Post-WWII American Nazis

When the Jews are gone and we've killed them, we will seize their wealth and distribute all their money to Christian America. And every Christian in America will be wealthy once the Jews are gone.

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16:40
13 min

The Secret War: Infiltration and Espionage

She had, just like in James Bond, she had a cigarette lighter that was actually a camera. And so for three nights, she was photographing every piece of information.

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30:00
13 min

The Failure of Government and the Rise of Self-Defense

Ross explains why anti-hate groups had to take action: government agencies like the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover were indifferent or hostile to anti-Semitism and white supremacy. The FBI refused to investigate Nazi plots, and police dismissed warnings from Jewish leaders. This forced communities to protect themselves.

43:20
20 min

From Brown v. Board to January 6th: A Continuum of Hate

Ross traces the ideological lineage from post-WWII neo-Nazis to modern far-right movements, showing how the defeat of segregation in Brown v. Board of Education galvanized white supremacist resistance. He draws direct links between the slogans of January 6th stormers and those used by 1940s Nazis, and discusses how figures like George Lincoln Rockwell pioneered media-savvy extremism.

High-Impact Quotes
When the Jews are gone and we've killed them, we will seize their wealth and distribute all their money to Christian America. And every Christian in America will be wealthy once the Jews are gone.
Stephen J. Ross5:33
Viral: 90.0
I think we're seeing a deja vu all over again, that once again these groups in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, the Anti-Defamation League... were also sending in undercover agents and spies. But that was only because the government had refused to protect their lives.
Stephen J. Ross38:41
Viral: 85.0
I never thought we'd see this level of hatred towards other Americans and immigrants who want to be Americans, that we were the beacon of the free world.
Stephen J. Ross34:37
Viral: 82.0
Speakers

Host

Terry Gross

Guest

Stephen J. Ross
Topics Discussed
Undercover Infiltration of Hate Groups95%The Southern Poverty Law Center Indictment92%Post-WWII American Neo-Nazism90%Government Inaction Against White Supremacy88%Historical Continuity of Far-Right Extremism85%Anti-Semitism and Anti-Black Racism in U.S. History80%The Role of Media in Far-Right Mobilization75%The Legacy of Holocaust Survivors70%
People & Brands

Anti-Defamation League

organization

15xPositive

Stephen J. Ross

person

12xPositive

Southern Poverty Law Center

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10xNeutral

Ku Klux Klan

organization

9xNegative

American Jewish Committee

organization

8xPositive

Colombians

organization

8xNegative

Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League

organization

7xPositive

Stetson Kennedy

person

6xPositive

J. Edgar Hoover

person

6xNegative

National Renaissance Party

organization

6xNegative

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