An Evening with Douglas Stuart (Part Two)

Intelligence Squared35mMay 31, 2026
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Douglas Stuart, Booker Prize-winning author of *Shuggie Bain* and *Young Mungo*, returns to the stage at Union Chapel in London to discuss his new novel *John of John*, set on the remote island of Harris. In a deeply personal and lyrical conversation with Jack Edwards, Stuart reveals how his own experiences as a gay man in 1990s Scotland shaped the novel’s exploration of faith, repression, and queer identity. He recounts the intimate, pre-digital ways young gay men in his generation navigated desire—writing long letters, exchanging photos from family homes, even knitting a replica of their penis to send to a lover. These moments, he argues, were acts of profound vulnerability and creativity born from necessity. Stuart also reflects on the power of language, particularly the deliberate use of Scottish Gaelic to assert identity and privacy, and how the islands’ slow rhythms and communal memory shaped his writing process. He shares the brutal truth of his own publishing journey—44 rejections before *Shuggie Bain* was finally accepted—offering a raw, hopeful testament to persistence. The evening closes with Stuart’s affectionate praise for the quiet, resilient characters who populate his work, especially Innes, a man of quiet strength and grace who embodies the masculinity he admires most. The conversation transcends literary analysis, becoming a meditation on how silence, memory, and love persist in the face of repression.

Key Takeaways
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Young gay men in 1990s Scotland used long-form letter writing and exchanged photos from family homes as intimate acts of connection, creating deep emotional bonds without physical contact.

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The act of knitting a replica of one's penis to send to a lover was a creative, vulnerable, and historically grounded response to the lack of safe spaces for queer expression.

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Scottish Gaelic is used in the novel not just as language but as a tool for intimacy, privacy, and resistance—especially when characters switch to English to assert dominance or control.

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Stuart’s writing process was transformed by the slow, deliberate rhythms of Harris, forcing him to abandon a planned plot and instead let memory and reputation shape the narrative.

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He was rejected 44 times before *Shuggie Bain* was published, but never changed a single word—proof that authenticity and persistence are more important than compromise.

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Welcome Back to Intelligence Squared

Producer Mia Sorrenti welcomes listeners to part two of the live event with Booker Prize winner Douglas Stuart, introducing the conversation on his new novel *John of John*.

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Religion, Predestination, and the Scottish Psyche

You're going to get what you're going to get at the end of it all, sort of infected young working class men with a bit of nihilism.

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The Aesthetic and Emotional Beauty of Worship

If anyone has ever heard a Gaelic psalm service, it is so beautiful. You know, it almost sounds a little bit like shape singing.

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Queer Desire in a Repressive Landscape

David's tragedy is not that he desires men, but that he cannot live truthfully in that desire.

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The Intimacy of Pre-Digital Correspondence

It was almost more intimate than seeing somebody nude because you were inside their house and with their family, and they were very vulnerable.

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High-Impact Quotes
And she goes, you were rejected 44 times. I just stopped telling you.
Agent (via Zoom)24:58
So he knits a replica of his own penis. You know, he lies on his bed and he knits it. But as a real man, he adds too many rows and too many stitches just in case.
Douglas Stuart6:10
But you know, through the rejection, I didn't change the novel. I didn't move a comma. I didn't change any glass, weed gin. I didn't do anything.
Douglas Stuart24:28
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Mia Sorrenti

Guest

Douglas Stuart
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