434: The Murders That Inspired Lincoln's Lyceum Address w/ Saladin Ambar

Most Notorious! A True Crime History Podcast1h 5mApril 18, 2026

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In this episode of Most Notorious!, host Eric Rivenes interviews Saladin Ambar, professor of political science and author of *Murder on the Mississippi: The Shocking Crimes That Shaped Abraham Lincoln*. The discussion centers on three racially charged, mob-driven murders in the 1830s—Vicksburg, Mississippi (1835), St. Louis (1836), and Alton, Illinois (1837)—that deeply influenced a young Abraham Lincoln. These events, marked by vigilante violence, racial terror, and the targeting of marginalized groups like gamblers, free Black individuals, and abolitionists, inspired Lincoln’s first major public address, the Lyceum Address of 1838. Ambar explores how Lincoln’s personal struggles with depression, financial hardship, and empathy forged through witnessing exploitation—both his own and that of others—shaped his moral and political vision. The episode reveals how Lincoln, despite being a Whig politician in a deeply divided Illinois, courageously used the Lyceum Address to defend the rule of law, due process, and democratic ideals even for those society deemed unworthy, setting a precedent for his later leadership during the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation. The narrative underscores the enduring relevance of Lincoln’s message in an era of rising political polarization and mob mentality. Key takeaways include: 1) Mob violence is not just a historical phenomenon but a recurring threat to democracy, especially when fueled by fear and misinformation; 2) Lincoln’s empathy stemmed from personal suffering and a deep understanding of exploitation, making him uniquely attuned to injustice; 3) The rule of law must protect even the least popular individuals to preserve democracy; 4) Courage in public life often means standing alone, especially when it’s politically risky; 5) Historical memory is selective—monuments honor the powerful, not the victims, revealing how society chooses to remember violence; 6) Lincoln’s early moral clarity on racial justice, despite political constraints, demonstrates that principled leadership can begin long before power is achieved; 7) The Lyceum Address contains the seeds of Lincoln’s later greatness, including the Gettysburg Address and Second Inaugural; 8) Vigilantism thrives when fear replaces reason, and democracy requires rational, sober citizens.

Key Takeaways
1

Mob violence is a direct threat to democracy, not just a symptom of chaos.

2

Empathy is forged through personal suffering and can drive moral leadership.

3

The rule of law must apply equally—even to those society despises.

4

Courage in politics often means standing alone, especially when it’s unpopular.

5

Historical memory is shaped by power, not truth—monuments reflect who wins the narrative.

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Chapters
0:00
2 min

Introduction and Guest Welcome

Host Eric Rivenes introduces Saladin Ambar, professor of political science and author of *Murder on the Mississippi*, and sets the stage for the episode’s focus on three pivotal murders that shaped young Abraham Lincoln’s worldview.

2:00
3 min

Lincoln in the 1830s: A Man of Ordinary Struggles

Ambar paints a portrait of a young, struggling Abraham Lincoln—debt-ridden, emotionally burdened, and personally estranged—making him relatable and human, not the mythic figure of later history.

5:00
5 min

The Roots of Lincoln’s Empathy: Exploitation and Suffering

Ambar explores how Lincoln’s own experiences—labor without pay and witnessing slavery in New Orleans—fueled his deep empathy for the oppressed, linking personal injustice to broader societal injustice.

10:00
10 min

The Vicksburg Murders: A Perfect Storm of Fear and Violence

The summer of 1835 had already seen just a few years before, you know, the reason, the rationale for being at your wits end with respect to the possibility of a slave insurrection.

Highlight
20:00
10 min

The St. Louis Burning of Francis McIntosh

He cries out to be shot, cries out for mercy. None is given and McIntosh expires engulfed in flames in the city of St. Louis with hundreds, maybe upwards of a thousand.

Highlight
High-Impact Quotes
We must live together as free men through all time or die by suicide. Russia is not to be feared. No other foreign power is to be feared. If this nation is not going to make it, I can tell you why.
Abraham Lincoln49:55
Viral: 90.0
He cries out to be shot, cries out for mercy. None is given and McIntosh expires engulfed in flames in the city of St. Louis with hundreds, maybe upwards of a thousand.
Saladin Ambar46:12
Viral: 85.0
The rule of law cannot just be made for the law abiding, nor could it be made for those who are well-liked and beloved. The con artist has to have his day in court. Indeed, the murderer has to have his or her day in court.
Saladin Ambar20:09
Viral: 85.0
Speakers

Host

Eric Rivenes

Guest

Saladin Ambar
Topics Discussed
Abraham Lincoln's Early Political Development95%The Lyceum Address: Lincoln's First Major Speech92%Mob Violence and Vigilantism in 19th Century America90%The Rule of Law and Due Process88%Racial Justice and Abolitionism in the Antebellum Era85%Lincoln's Empathy and Personal Struggles80%The Mississippi River as a Site of Conflict and Commerce70%Historical Memory and Monumentalization65%
People & Brands

Abraham Lincoln

person

45xPositive

Vicksburg

place

15xNegative

Lyceum Address

other

15xPositive

St. Louis

place

12xNegative

Saladin Ambar

person

12xPositive

Francis McIntosh

person

10xNegative

Elijah P. Lovejoy

person

9xPositive

Alton

place

8xNegative

Virgil Stewart

person

6xNegative

Mark Twain

person

5xPositive

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