John Avlon’s Final Warning (w/ Rye Barcott) | How to Fix It

The Bulwark22mJune 14, 2026
AI-Generated Summary

John Avlon closes his tenure at The Bulwark with a powerful final episode spotlighting courage as the antidote to America’s deepening polarization. In conversation with Rye Barcott, co-founder of With Honor and author of 'Courage Can Save Us,' Avlon explores a rare breed of political leaders—military veterans from both parties—who have shown moral courage by defying party lines, standing for unpopular truths, and prioritizing the common good over political survival. Barcott’s book profiles ten such figures, from Senators Todd Young and Mark Kelly to Governors Wes Moore and Mike Sherrill, revealing a unifying thread: courage as a deliberate, principled choice rooted in service and integrity. The episode confronts a crisis of civic disconnection—fewer than 2% of Americans serve in the military or federal civil service—and argues that national service, civic education, and structural reforms in primaries could rebuild the shared experience that once united the country. Barcott warns that civilizations fall not from external conquest but from internal decay, and that today’s political system actively discourages courage by rewarding conformity. Yet he remains hopeful, pointing to growing bipartisan support for expanded national service as a potential 80-20 solution to America’s crisis of purpose and unity.

Key Takeaways
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Courage is a deliberate choice to serve something larger than yourself, not just bravery in battle, and it’s essential for healing political polarization.

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Less than 2% of Americans serve in the military or federal civil service, creating a dangerous civic disconnect that fuels division.

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Primary elections in safe districts reward ideological purity over governance, making it nearly impossible for courageous, independent candidates to succeed.

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National service programs like AmeriCorps, while underfunded and flawed, have bipartisan appeal and could be expanded to rebuild shared civic experience.

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Leaders like Dan Crenshaw and Wes Moore demonstrate that being a 'workhorse'—focused on legislation and service—conflicts with being a 'show horse'—focused on visibility and branding.

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Chapters
0:03
1 min

John Avlon’s Final Announcement

I can't think of a better episode to bring you as our closing episode with the bulwark than this interview because it's about the essential virtue that seems in too rare supply these days. Talking about courage.

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1:26
1 min

The Birth of a Book on Courage

Rye Barcott explains how his nine-year journey with With Honor, a veteran-led organization, inspired his new book, 'Courage Can Save Us,' which profiles 10 courageous members of Congress.

3:33
1 min

The Connective Tissue of Courage

Barcott identifies moral courage—putting reputation and integrity at risk for unpopular causes—as the unifying trait among the 10 political figures he profiles.

6:14
1 min

The Crisis of Civic Service

By most estimates less than two percent of americans are serving in either the military or in federal civilian service like americorps things of that nature and the experience unites you in a powerful and profound way.

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8:06
1 min

Profiles in Courage: From Kennedy to Now

Barcott draws a direct line from JFK’s 'Profiles in Courage' to his own work, emphasizing that true courage is not about perfection but about standing up when it’s hard.

High-Impact Quotes
And you write, history suggests that great civilizations such as ancient Greece and Rome are rarely undone by conquest alone. More often they erode from within, weakened by corruption, internal strife, and civic decline.
Rye Barcott12:54
But right now, I can't think of a better episode to bring you as our closing episode with the bulwark than this interview because it's about the essential virtue that seems in too rare supply these days. Talking about courage.
John Avlon1:12
I do think that it could be across party lines. I know it can be. We're in a moment in time, obviously, where the technology displacements are significant, the fear is even larger, I think. And a lot of young people are feeling that pressure in particular.
Rye Barcott22:09
Speakers

Host

John Avlon

Guest

Rye Barcott
Topics Discussed
civic courage95%political polarization90%national service88%military veterans in politics85%civic engagement80%primary elections75%civic education70%AI and job displacement65%
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With Honor

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Wes Moore

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Profiles in Courage

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AmeriCorps

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Dan Crenshaw

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David Gergen

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Mike Sherrill

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John F. Kennedy

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