Why Human Relationships are the Ultimate ROI
Gary Vee reveals a radical truth: the most powerful business strategy isn't financial leverage or tech disruption—it's human relationships. He argues that his entire empire, from VaynerMedia to VaynerX and VFriends, is built on a deliberate, high-stakes investment in people, not deals. For over a decade, he’s funded a 'VP of Relationships'—Nick Dio—who hosts global dinners to connect rising talent with opportunity, often with zero ROI in mind. This isn't charity; it's a calculated, long-term play for 'rainy day human stuff'—the kind of goodwill that helps a former employee’s daughter when she faces cancer, or a brand’s founder when they lose their marketing lead. Gary calls this 'long-term greedy'—a philosophy where generosity isn't a side effect but the core engine. He admits he was once a terrible firer, paralyzed by guilt and fear of being disliked, until he rebranded his leadership with 'Kind Candor.' Now, he runs seven eight-figure businesses with a 15-minute meeting cadence, not because he’s superhuman, but because he’s surrounded by family-level partners who’ve been with him for 10+ years. The real secret? He’s not building companies—he’s building a legacy of trust that outlasts any balance sheet.
Invest in people like LeBron James invests in his body—spend $1M+ annually on relationships to build long-term human capital.
The 'VP of Relationships' role is not fluff—it’s a strategic position that scales human connection at a level no AI can replicate.
Kind Candor is the antidote to toxic leadership: deliver hard truths with empathy, not cruelty, to build trust and performance.
Your greatest business asset isn’t your product—it’s your network of loyal, high-achieving people who believe in you.
Long-term greed beats short-term greed: success comes from building a reputation for generosity, not just transactions.
…and 3 more takeaways available in PodZeus
The Man Behind the Scenes: Nick Dio, VP of Relationships
“Go around the world and literally, by the way when he goes around the world it's go to cool places and cool shit and listen carefully if there's something we could do something for someone for karma!”
The LeBron James Analogy: A $1M+ Investment in People
“To me, is the equivalent of LeBron James spends a million dollars a year on his body. Gary has spent probably at this point five million plus, ten million maybe, on just developing relationships with people who he thinks are doing good things in the world.”
The Real ROI: Human Karma and Long-Term Greed
“I'm thinking like, fuck man, your mom has a rare form of cancer and you have unlimited equity in the universe that everyone rallies like the fucking Avengers and helps you.”
The Dark Side of Being Nice: The Terrible Firer
Gary admits he was a terrible firer—avoiding hard conversations for years, letting people stay in roles they were failing at. He calls this 'candor at zero' and shares how it damaged trust and morale.
Kind Candor: The Leadership Rebrand
“I rebranded it into Kind Candor. It became the ethos of our company. Because I think candor a lot of times is used as an excuse to be a dick face and suppress people.”
“And what you're doing with Nick, to me, is the equivalent of LeBron James spends a million dollars a year on his body. Gary has spent probably at this point five million plus, ten million maybe, on just developing relationships with people who he thinks are doing good things in the world.”
“But now I'm maybe ready for being like, hey guys, by the way, I'm not a motivational speaker. I might actually be a weirdly good operator at scale.”
“I'm thinking like, fuck man, your mom has a rare form of cancer and you have unlimited equity in the universe that everyone rallies like the fucking Avengers and helps you.”
Host
Guest
Gary Vee
person
Sam
person
VaynerMedia
organization
Nick Dio
person
VaynerX
organization
VFriends
organization
Liquid Death
brand
Fly Fish Club
brand
LeBron James
person
VaynerWatt
organization
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