מנחות פט 5786
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This episode of Daf Yomi: The 35 Minute Daf explores the intricate halachic details of the Toda offering, focusing on the measurement and distribution of oil (shemen) among its three types of breads—chalos, rikikin, and revucha. The discussion centers on a key textual interpretation: the repetition of 'b'shem' in the Torah, which the Gemara explains as limiting the total oil to a half-log rather than a full log, with the revucha receiving a disproportionate share. The episode delves into the mathematical reasoning behind this allocation, the debate between Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Elazar ben Azariah over the logic, and the broader principle of avoiding waste in the Temple service. It also examines the measurement systems used in the Mikdash, including the hin, log, and chatzi-hin, and how these were derived from Moshe Rabbeinu’s time. The host further discusses the methodology of how the Chachamim determined the correct amount of oil for the menorah—whether by starting small and increasing or starting large and decreasing—highlighting the tension between generosity and frugality in divine service. The episode concludes with a discussion on the mixing of libations and meal offerings, emphasizing that ratios must be preserved and that certain mixtures are only permissible b'dieved (after the fact).
The repetition of 'b'shem' in the Toda offering teaches that the total oil is limited to a half-log, not a full log.
The revucha (oily cakes) receives a quarter-log of oil, double the amount of each chalos and rikikin.
The Chachamim determined the menorah's oil amount through iterative testing—either starting small and increasing or starting large and decreasing—depending on whether the priority was avoiding waste or expressing generosity.
Meal offerings and libations must maintain their proper ratios; mixing different types (e.g., par and keves) is only permissible if done properly and not in a way that violates the ratio.
A korban brought shalom lishma (for its own sake) is kosher even if missing nesachim, but it is pasul (invalid) and must be replaced.
The Toda Offering and the Mystery of 'B'Shem'
“Why do you say Rebbe HaRibu? It's only one extra one. It's not an extra, it's a special inclusion. One is to tell me that you need Shemen.”
Mathematics of the Temple: Oil Distribution and Ratios
“The revucha's got to have more. Maybe you bring a half alog of shemin and you cut it in half meaning instead of the half a log, you take it into two quarters.”
The Menorah Oil: How the Chachamim Calculated the Amount
“Why do they start with a smaller amount and work their way up? Right? Why? Because the Torah has said, they don't want to waste too much oil.”
Mixing Libations and Meal Offerings: The Rules of Ratio
The host discusses the halachic principles governing the mixing of nesachim (libations) and mincha (meal offerings). The key point is that different animals have different oil-to-flour ratios (2:1 for par/aelam, 3:1 for keves), and these ratios must be preserved.
The Status of a Korban Shalom Lishma Without Nesachim
The episode concludes with a discussion on the validity of a korban brought shalom lishma (for its own sake) without proper nesachim. The korban is kosher but pasul, requiring replacement, and must still have nesachim to remain valid.
“Why do they start with a smaller amount and work their way up? Right? Why? Because the Torah has said, they don't want to waste too much oil.”
“The Torah has a whole, are conflicting with each other. So when you apply one, when do you apply the other? That's up to the Chacham to decide.”
“The revucha's got to have more. Maybe you bring a half alog of shemin and you cut it in half meaning instead of the half a log, you take it into two quarters.”
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Chachamim
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Menorah
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Hin
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Moshe Rabbeinu
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