מנחות קט 5786
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This episode of Daf Yomi: The 35 Minute Daf explores a complex Talmudic discussion from Menachot 57b, focusing on the legal status of sacrifices brought outside the Temple in Jerusalem, particularly in the context of the ancient Temple of Onias (Beis Chanyo) in Alexandria, Egypt. The central question revolves around whether a person who vows to bring a korban (sacrifice) in Beis Chanyo is considered to have fulfilled their obligation (yotzeh), and whether such a sacrifice is valid. The discussion delves into the nature of sacrificial service, distinguishing between acts like shechita (slaughtering) and other avodot (services) that are considered true 'sheirut' (service). The Gemara examines whether someone who served in Beis Chanyo—whether out of genuine religious intent or as a form of idolatry—can ever return to serve in the Beis Hamikdash after repentance. A key debate arises between Rav Nachman and Rav Sheshet regarding whether service in Avodah Zarah, even if done unintentionally (b'shogeg), disqualifies one from future service, with Rav Nachman arguing that only intentional service (b'mezid) creates permanent disqualification, while Rav Sheshet holds a stricter view. The episode also draws modern parallels, discussing how communities should treat those who have strayed from religious observance but have repented, citing real-life examples from rabbinic history and contemporary halachic debates about accepting repentant individuals into communal leadership roles. The narrative is framed around a dramatic family saga involving two brothers, Shimi and Chanyo, sons of the Kohen Gadol Shimon HaTzadik. The story recounts how jealousy led to a prank in which Shimi dressed Chanyo in women's garments, falsely accusing him of swearing an oath to his wife. This led to Chanyo fleeing to Egypt, where he established a temple in Alexandria. The Gemara debates whether this temple was an act of Avodah Zarah (idolatry) or was built L'Shem Shemayim (for the sake of Heaven). The episode concludes with reflections on the dangers of ambition, the complexity of repentance, and the importance of communal unity, emphasizing that even those who have fallen can return, provided they genuinely repent. The host closes with a call to bring a chulon (a type of offering) for the next session, underscoring the ongoing relevance of these ancient texts.
A korban brought in Beis Chanyo is not valid, even if the person intended it as a gift, because it lacks the sanctity of a true korban in the Beis Hamikdash.
Shechita (slaughtering) is not considered 'sheirut' (service) in the same way as other avodot, which is why someone who slaughtered for Avodah Zarah may still be able to repent and serve again.
Rav Nachman holds that unintentional service (b'shogeg) in Avodah Zarah does not permanently disqualify one from serving in the Beis Hamikdash, while Rav Sheshet disagrees.
The story of Chanyo and Shimi illustrates how jealousy and deception can lead to spiritual exile, even when the intention was not idolatry.
Communities should be cautious but not overly harsh toward repentant individuals who once strayed, especially if they have genuinely returned to Torah observance.
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The Validity of Sacrifices Outside Jerusalem
The episode begins with a discussion of the Mishnah's ruling on vows to bring an ola (burnt offering) in Beis Chanyo, Alexandria. The host explains that such a sacrifice is invalid because it cannot be considered a true korban outside the Beis Hamikdash, even if the person intended it as a gift.
The Nature of Avodah and Sheirut
The discussion shifts to the distinction between shechita (slaughtering) and other forms of avodah (service). The host explains that shechita is not considered 'sheirut' (service), which has implications for whether someone who slaughtered for Avodah Zarah can return to serve in the Beis Hamikdash.
The Machlokes Between Rav Nachman and Rav Sheshet
“If he did it b'mezid, that's pretty bad. Then you are serving the Getschke. You are serving the idol.”
The Story of Chanyo and Shimi: A Tale of Jealousy and Exile
“He ran away. He didn't want to call him. He said, you take it. You're the older brother. Still, he was jealous.”
Modern Parallels: Repentance and Community Acceptance
“Sometimes it's better to use a little seichel and not be so makbed about those kind of things.”
“He ran away. He didn't want to call him. He said, you take it. You're the older brother. Still, he was jealous.”
“If he did it b'mezid, that's pretty bad. Then you are serving the Getschke. You are serving the idol.”
“The real issue is, was it for Avodah Zarah or did he mean L'shem Shemai?”
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